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Re: MAG demo
This is to do with the EU anti tampering legislation proposals if anyone wonders.
Basically they would like our bikes to all be standard amongst other things.
Go look at the MAG website in news articles for more information
Basically they would like our bikes to all be standard amongst other things.
Go look at the MAG website in news articles for more information
Re: MAG demo
Hello
Please bear with me today, as this is a bit of a long one. (No- it's
your mind that just thought of that..)
Further to the meeting I've just had with Malcolm Harbour MEP, the
chairman of the EU Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee
(IMCO), I now have a better idea of what we are looking at as the Type
Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation moves through the EU
legislative process. This is the one covering anti-tampering, ABS etc.
Because so much legislation is created within Europe, MEPs can't
reasonably debate all of it, so certain committees are tasked with the
job in the early days and they then recommend things to the whole EU
Parliament.
Because there are so many different subjects, even the committee members
often don't know what they're debating, so they in turn appoint what is
called a Rapporteur, who does their best to study the topic in depth and
then Reports back their recommendations. See how this democracy works?
Anyway, after the committee members have viewed the Rapporteurs ideas,
they put in their own ammendments and the whole committee vote on what
ammendments they are happy to see. We are lucky that it just happens the
Rapporteur in this instance actually rides a bike.
Whenever that has been done the Council of Ministers and the EU
Parliament get to see it, so those are other places that we can direct
our lobbying.
As this is a 'Framework Regulation' once it's passed it does not have to
be transposed into Law in Individual Member States, as it will happen
automatically.
The Rapporteur has reported back and amendments are on the table now and
being discussed within IMCO. Like giving an opt out for special
'one-off' bike builders, (but only the British and the Finns want that)
and also making ABS compulsory on mopeds too (Germans want that- or
rather the German ABS industry wants that). Generally the British
representatives are prepared to consider the switch option for ABS, but
Malcolm Harbour for example, wants all of the onboard diagnostics thrown
out too. We'll see how the nogotiations go.
The good news is that every email and letter you've written has caused
members of the committee to think and with MAGs equivilent organisations
doing the same in Finland for example, we may realistically get some of
the worst elements of this legislation under control. We've already
upset the timetable, as the Parliament were due to vote on this in
September and now IMCO won't even finally vote on thier changes until
4/5 or 6th Oct and it can't go to Parliament till after that.
However, it's not just the Regulation from Europe that will be effecting
us soon. The 10 very real European issues that we still need to draw
attention to are:
1- The Anti tampering Regulation: Specifically Article 18 which wants to
stop all modifications to complete power train, from airbox to
controlling the rear tyre profile.
2- Compulsory ABS. If we can't stop this, we must get a switch so that
we have an option in difficult conditions where ABS doesn't function well.
3- Automatic headlights on- passing the blame for poor observation on to us.
4- OBD. On Board Diagnostics so that easy roadside checks can be made of
our emissions and so that constant readouts of engine performance can be
obtained. Expensive, complicated and with the threat, rather like a
tacho, of identifying past riding style...
5- RMI. Repair and Maintenance Information. Rather than keeping it
hidden and available for huge expense, there is a chance that
manufacturers will be forced to provide ECU codes etc for a fee. What
that fee is remains to be seen.
6- The very worrying article 52: "If systems, components or seperate
technical units on a list in a delegated act to this regulation, have a
dual use, for vehicles intended exclusively for racing on roads and for
vehicles intended for use on public roads, they may not be sold or
offered for sale to consumers"
So if your K&N filter can fit a CBR race bike and a CBR road bike, the
best way to police that, is to make it illegal to sell the filter in Europe.
The Delegated Acts are the most scarey thing, as they are the lists and
details drawn up by the unelected and we won't get to see what they are
including until after the Regulation has been passed!
7- In solidarity with the French we need to be drawing attention to
their recent gov proposal to ban all bikes over 7 years old from an
urban area and to make the wearing of day-glo/ reflective clothing
compulsory.
8- Full sleeve day-glo clothing for riders and passengers has been
proposed in the Irish Parliament too.
9- All these issues lead to the same thing, that we must take the blame
for the incompetence of other road users. And while the emergency stop
has been removed as a compulsory element of the UK car driving test, we
are jumping through hoops with ill-judged UK interpretations of EU
licencing directives.
10- Another EU licencing Directive is on its way (3DLD) to step the bike
licencing system still further and the DfT and DSA still haven't sorted
even the consultation process, even though it is meant to be in law by
now and enacted January 2013.
I'd very much like you to put a mark in your diary on 25th September.
This will be before the IMCO vote.
Plans are afoot for something very special which I'll tell you about
soon, but for now, please tell everyone you'll be busy that day and if
they ride a bike, ask them to come and help you.
Our MEPs will be preparing to rubber stamp another Regulation put before
them. This time they may all just stop to read it.
--
Kind regards
Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
Please bear with me today, as this is a bit of a long one. (No- it's
your mind that just thought of that..)
Further to the meeting I've just had with Malcolm Harbour MEP, the
chairman of the EU Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee
(IMCO), I now have a better idea of what we are looking at as the Type
Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation moves through the EU
legislative process. This is the one covering anti-tampering, ABS etc.
Because so much legislation is created within Europe, MEPs can't
reasonably debate all of it, so certain committees are tasked with the
job in the early days and they then recommend things to the whole EU
Parliament.
Because there are so many different subjects, even the committee members
often don't know what they're debating, so they in turn appoint what is
called a Rapporteur, who does their best to study the topic in depth and
then Reports back their recommendations. See how this democracy works?
Anyway, after the committee members have viewed the Rapporteurs ideas,
they put in their own ammendments and the whole committee vote on what
ammendments they are happy to see. We are lucky that it just happens the
Rapporteur in this instance actually rides a bike.
Whenever that has been done the Council of Ministers and the EU
Parliament get to see it, so those are other places that we can direct
our lobbying.
As this is a 'Framework Regulation' once it's passed it does not have to
be transposed into Law in Individual Member States, as it will happen
automatically.
The Rapporteur has reported back and amendments are on the table now and
being discussed within IMCO. Like giving an opt out for special
'one-off' bike builders, (but only the British and the Finns want that)
and also making ABS compulsory on mopeds too (Germans want that- or
rather the German ABS industry wants that). Generally the British
representatives are prepared to consider the switch option for ABS, but
Malcolm Harbour for example, wants all of the onboard diagnostics thrown
out too. We'll see how the nogotiations go.
The good news is that every email and letter you've written has caused
members of the committee to think and with MAGs equivilent organisations
doing the same in Finland for example, we may realistically get some of
the worst elements of this legislation under control. We've already
upset the timetable, as the Parliament were due to vote on this in
September and now IMCO won't even finally vote on thier changes until
4/5 or 6th Oct and it can't go to Parliament till after that.
However, it's not just the Regulation from Europe that will be effecting
us soon. The 10 very real European issues that we still need to draw
attention to are:
1- The Anti tampering Regulation: Specifically Article 18 which wants to
stop all modifications to complete power train, from airbox to
controlling the rear tyre profile.
2- Compulsory ABS. If we can't stop this, we must get a switch so that
we have an option in difficult conditions where ABS doesn't function well.
3- Automatic headlights on- passing the blame for poor observation on to us.
4- OBD. On Board Diagnostics so that easy roadside checks can be made of
our emissions and so that constant readouts of engine performance can be
obtained. Expensive, complicated and with the threat, rather like a
tacho, of identifying past riding style...
5- RMI. Repair and Maintenance Information. Rather than keeping it
hidden and available for huge expense, there is a chance that
manufacturers will be forced to provide ECU codes etc for a fee. What
that fee is remains to be seen.
6- The very worrying article 52: "If systems, components or seperate
technical units on a list in a delegated act to this regulation, have a
dual use, for vehicles intended exclusively for racing on roads and for
vehicles intended for use on public roads, they may not be sold or
offered for sale to consumers"
So if your K&N filter can fit a CBR race bike and a CBR road bike, the
best way to police that, is to make it illegal to sell the filter in Europe.
The Delegated Acts are the most scarey thing, as they are the lists and
details drawn up by the unelected and we won't get to see what they are
including until after the Regulation has been passed!
7- In solidarity with the French we need to be drawing attention to
their recent gov proposal to ban all bikes over 7 years old from an
urban area and to make the wearing of day-glo/ reflective clothing
compulsory.
8- Full sleeve day-glo clothing for riders and passengers has been
proposed in the Irish Parliament too.
9- All these issues lead to the same thing, that we must take the blame
for the incompetence of other road users. And while the emergency stop
has been removed as a compulsory element of the UK car driving test, we
are jumping through hoops with ill-judged UK interpretations of EU
licencing directives.
10- Another EU licencing Directive is on its way (3DLD) to step the bike
licencing system still further and the DfT and DSA still haven't sorted
even the consultation process, even though it is meant to be in law by
now and enacted January 2013.
I'd very much like you to put a mark in your diary on 25th September.
This will be before the IMCO vote.
Plans are afoot for something very special which I'll tell you about
soon, but for now, please tell everyone you'll be busy that day and if
they ride a bike, ask them to come and help you.
Our MEPs will be preparing to rubber stamp another Regulation put before
them. This time they may all just stop to read it.
--
Kind regards
Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
Re: MAG demo
FLASH MOB!- MOTORWAY MAYHEM 25th September
Given everything emanating from Europe at the minute, both as
legislation directed at British bikers and as possible threats, like
compulsory day-glo, many riders want to act, stand up and say ‘listen to
us and our industry’.
The Type Approval Regulation that is working its way through the
legislative process at the minute and which we have covered in more
depth in previous editions of The ROAD, is at committee stage and
amendments are being discussed. Some of these are good, the Chairman of
the committee, Malcolm Harbour is prepared to listen to us and has
tabled some good amendments, but at the same time, under pressure from
the ABS industry, German MEPs have tabled amendments to fit ABS to
everything from 50cc mopeds up, which will add so much to the cost of
commuter bikes that there’ll be no reason at all to own one. Others wish
to include all dirt bikes as well, trial and enduro, while a French MEP
wishes to see road-side stop and check powers given to police or gov
agencies to check we haven’t tampered with ANY part of power train, from
air filter to rear tyre size, as well as checking our emissions.
Luckily our own Dept for Transport is concerned that there have been no
impact assessments carried out on the effect all this legislation will
have on consumers and the aftermarket industry, so we have the ears of
them as well. Not wholly sympathetic, but they are listening to our man
Nich Brown who’s been meeting them.
Then there’s the crazy ban on bikes over 7 years old from cities in
France and the dreaded day-glo/reflective clothing requirement, which is
also proposed in Ireland, but the Irish want full sleeve dayglo jackets
for riders and pillions!
ENOUGH!
All this crap is strangling motorcycling, so it’s our duty to highlight
this and what better way than to strangle the nation’s arteries, it’s
motorways and dual carriageways?
Here’s the plan for Flash Mob Motorway Mayhem.
September 25th is a Sunday. It’s a week before the IMCO Committee vote
on all their final amendments.
We want to show that we are mature, and while still in political
negotiations, have chosen a Sunday for our FIRST event, not a week day.
Gathering from noon at selected service areas, we roll at 1pm, all over
the country at exactly the same time.
If it’s a 3 lane carriageway we use 1 or 2 and ride at a perfectly
legal 45-48 mph.
We ride for maybe 15/20 minutes and bugger off, Flash Mob style.
Yes, 125s won’t be able to come, but there are dual carriageways
everywhere, so possibilities exist everywhere.
We’ve all witnessed the tailbacks that can happen when a truck tries to
pass a caravan…
The strength of this is in simultaneous action, so that national radio
and press notice and we sidestep local news, though they too will pick
up on it.
There will be one central phone number for press contact, so there’s no
need to panic!
There will be no roundabouts or traffic lights to split the run.
No-one, (except Mr Mutch) can take a wrong turning.
No overheating engines.
We do not need marshals, just one person with a watch to see when it’s
nearly 1pm.
We have the right to peaceful protest.
We do not cause congestion as a mode of transport, but there is no
reason why we can’t all go for a Sunday ride at a safe and sedate pace.
Isn’t that what the Police keep asking us to do?
We won’t be the congestion, all the traffic behind us will be.
Anyway, we may choose to only ride a couple of junctions and then turn
around and go home the other way…
It’ll only take a couple of hours of our time and we’ll still be home in
time for Late Sunday lunch.
This is local, everyone, even Cornwall has a main traffic artery somewhere.
Speak to your local MAG group about organising one near you, why travel?
Organise one yourself and let me know where.
The MAG website and MCN will be advertising all the start points, ask
everyone you know to attend one. What else are you doing on a Sunday?
September 25th. Keep it Free! Direct Action Politics is back!
--
Kind regards
Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
Tel: 01926 844064
Given everything emanating from Europe at the minute, both as
legislation directed at British bikers and as possible threats, like
compulsory day-glo, many riders want to act, stand up and say ‘listen to
us and our industry’.
The Type Approval Regulation that is working its way through the
legislative process at the minute and which we have covered in more
depth in previous editions of The ROAD, is at committee stage and
amendments are being discussed. Some of these are good, the Chairman of
the committee, Malcolm Harbour is prepared to listen to us and has
tabled some good amendments, but at the same time, under pressure from
the ABS industry, German MEPs have tabled amendments to fit ABS to
everything from 50cc mopeds up, which will add so much to the cost of
commuter bikes that there’ll be no reason at all to own one. Others wish
to include all dirt bikes as well, trial and enduro, while a French MEP
wishes to see road-side stop and check powers given to police or gov
agencies to check we haven’t tampered with ANY part of power train, from
air filter to rear tyre size, as well as checking our emissions.
Luckily our own Dept for Transport is concerned that there have been no
impact assessments carried out on the effect all this legislation will
have on consumers and the aftermarket industry, so we have the ears of
them as well. Not wholly sympathetic, but they are listening to our man
Nich Brown who’s been meeting them.
Then there’s the crazy ban on bikes over 7 years old from cities in
France and the dreaded day-glo/reflective clothing requirement, which is
also proposed in Ireland, but the Irish want full sleeve dayglo jackets
for riders and pillions!
ENOUGH!
All this crap is strangling motorcycling, so it’s our duty to highlight
this and what better way than to strangle the nation’s arteries, it’s
motorways and dual carriageways?
Here’s the plan for Flash Mob Motorway Mayhem.
September 25th is a Sunday. It’s a week before the IMCO Committee vote
on all their final amendments.
We want to show that we are mature, and while still in political
negotiations, have chosen a Sunday for our FIRST event, not a week day.
Gathering from noon at selected service areas, we roll at 1pm, all over
the country at exactly the same time.
If it’s a 3 lane carriageway we use 1 or 2 and ride at a perfectly
legal 45-48 mph.
We ride for maybe 15/20 minutes and bugger off, Flash Mob style.
Yes, 125s won’t be able to come, but there are dual carriageways
everywhere, so possibilities exist everywhere.
We’ve all witnessed the tailbacks that can happen when a truck tries to
pass a caravan…
The strength of this is in simultaneous action, so that national radio
and press notice and we sidestep local news, though they too will pick
up on it.
There will be one central phone number for press contact, so there’s no
need to panic!
There will be no roundabouts or traffic lights to split the run.
No-one, (except Mr Mutch) can take a wrong turning.
No overheating engines.
We do not need marshals, just one person with a watch to see when it’s
nearly 1pm.
We have the right to peaceful protest.
We do not cause congestion as a mode of transport, but there is no
reason why we can’t all go for a Sunday ride at a safe and sedate pace.
Isn’t that what the Police keep asking us to do?
We won’t be the congestion, all the traffic behind us will be.
Anyway, we may choose to only ride a couple of junctions and then turn
around and go home the other way…
It’ll only take a couple of hours of our time and we’ll still be home in
time for Late Sunday lunch.
This is local, everyone, even Cornwall has a main traffic artery somewhere.
Speak to your local MAG group about organising one near you, why travel?
Organise one yourself and let me know where.
The MAG website and MCN will be advertising all the start points, ask
everyone you know to attend one. What else are you doing on a Sunday?
September 25th. Keep it Free! Direct Action Politics is back!
--
Kind regards
Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
Tel: 01926 844064
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outrage
Re: MAG demo
Im in for sure. If any or all of these legislations come into effect it will mean then end of our hobbies and many peoples jobs plus the whole aftermarket industry. This is very serious stuff which needs to be attended to.
I dont want this to be the reason for me having to go back down under.
I dont want this to be the reason for me having to go back down under.
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askinmechanic
Re: MAG demo
this is the link for the e petition if anyone wants to sign it, every little helps
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